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Conservatives take issue with McCain on gay adoption

Riding the line between energizing conservatives and attracting moderates and independents this election year continues to prove difficult for John McCain.

In its latest email to supporters a leading social conservative group, the Family Research Council, is taking issue with recent, contradictory statements out of the McCain campaign on gay adoption and calling on the GOPer to stand by the “traditional family unit.”

In an interview late last week with the New York Times, McCain said he opposed gay adoption, adding that “I think that we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family, so, no, I don’t believe in gay adoption.” While the stance may be controversial to gay voters and some liberals, he curries some favor with a larger group social conservatives he needs to energize for November.

But wait.

The campaign then issued a clarifying statement to blogger Andrew Sullivan, stating that McCain believes gay adoption is a state issue but added that “as an adoptive father himself, McCain believes children deserve loving and caring home environments, and he recognizes that there are many abandoned children who have yet to find homes. McCain believes that in those situations that caring parental figures are better for the child than the alternative.”

The FRC, led by Tony Perkins, is now alleging the statement “muddies the waters,” and warns in an email sent to supporters Tuesday night that the McCain camp “should not fall into this ‘lady or the tiger’ trap and should emphasize the need to rebuild the natural family.”

Email after jump…

—–Original Message—–
From: FRC Action [mailto:info@frcaction.org]
Sent: Tue 7/15/2008 7:21 PM
Subject: McCain’s Adoption Stance Hits Close to Home

Family Research Council | July 15, 2008

McCain’s Adoption Stance Hits Close to Home
Trying to appeal to both moderates and social conservatives, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has generally tread lightly on some touchy values issues. That was not the case last weekend when the Arizona senator’s personal experience led him to make some candid comments about his opposition to homosexual adoption. The GOP nominee, whose daughter Bridget is adopted, answered questions about what type of parents are best suited for raising children. In response to New York Times reporters who said, “President Bush believes that gay couples should not be permitted to adopt children. Do you agree with that?” McCain said plainly, “I think that we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family, so, no, I don’t believe in gay adoption.” When the Times pressed him with, “But your concern would be that the couple should be a traditional couple,” McCain replied “Yes.”

After the Times interview, McCain’s communications director, Jill Hazelbaker, reportedly issued a statement that qualified the senator’s remarks. If it came to choosing between remaining unadopted and or having homosexual parents, she said, “McCain believes that in those situations that caring parental figures are better for the child than the alternative.” The remark only muddies the waters. It’s incumbent on mother-father families to step up so that no child faces a dilemma like this. At the same time, abandoning the mother-father model has a cyclical impact by weakening the traditional family unit. The McCain campaign should not fall into this “lady or the tiger” trap and should emphasize the need to rebuild the natural family.

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Comment by Bad choices = Bad results

Embracing the gay lifestyle and culture is one of the major contributors

to our nation having lost its moral compass. We are less of a great nation due to our lack of

courage to fight against gay demands.

 
Comment by Littlesky

If you want a republican president to win this year you have to adapt to a little liberal view. A hillary clinton voter trying to decide to vode for John or not vote at all. which would you prefer?

 
Comment by Wake Up

Speaking of lifestyles- maybe if you all stopped mindlessly consuming and watching the red sox like zombies, and started paying attention to INEQUALITY, you might realize that is the real problem in our society and why it is falling apart, and that is where all the violence comes from. Gay rights is just one aspect of the inequality that affects everyone. The few extremley wealthy with all the power are quite delighted that you’re bigots because it distracts you from the inquality which is what truly causes the family to crumble because no one has any support in an ongoing war on the poor. Also, your mini vans are really ugly.

 
Comment by American Conservative

John McCain is a phony through and through. When pressed on serious issues, he waffles all over the place. Just look at the interview of him and Ellen Degenerate on her show when she brought up gay marriage. I can not believe he was elected by the Republican party. Then again it is not a party that represents conservative American values any more. Modern day republicans think it is cool to cross party lines and be a liberal. Notice John how none of them are crossing over on to the conservative side?

 
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Comment by a. mcewen

It always amazes this gay black man when i hear someone talking about the “gay lifestyle.” What exactly is that anyway except for a talking point by folks who don’t really know gay people.

And I think that this nation’s moral compass is doing well. True, we have made some mistakes on the way but I am proud of my country and wouldn’t be anything else but an American.

Lastly, I refuse to take the blame for making this country less than great. After all, I wasn’t the one who led this country into a useless war after declaring that Jesus was my favorite philosopher.

 
Comment by J. David Williams

Embracing gay people, just like any other group, is as American as apple pie. We are a great nation because of it. Homophobes like “Bad Choices” have no place in our society.

 
Comment by Brian Thomas Moneybags

That’s the only comment on this stupid post? This blog sucks. Way to go, FOX.

 
Comment by NO TO OBAMA

What? Did I miss something? God made Adam and Eve and He commanded to multiply the earth!
This is just so immoral that two guys adopted a child??? This is a sin and it’s breaking God commandment. We are already in the Caos that California Court decision on Guy marriage. Then what? God bless America. We need someone who is truly on the right side of the Lord.
If Mccain is Not doing right, I won’t vote for him.
Go Tony Perkins!

We really need to consider someone else to run for President for 2008
Maybe Mitt Romney was the right person for this great nation.

It’s so hard to choose Mccain now after all. Why not Mitt Romney who is much righteous figure to us.

Republicans need to reconsider it again!

 
Comment by yeahright

no Bad chocies=Bad results. We are loosing our status as a great nation because people like you make small issues like this the deciding factor in an election instead of our failing economy, failing healthcare, failing education system, failing social security program, and skyrocketing debt.

 
Comment by chris

I guess McCain needs to kowtow the wrangle in the Christians. I get that.

My issue is that the future is coming. I’m sure that if Fox had blogs in the 1920’s, conservatives would be screaming about women voting.

 
Comment by Sam

Obama wants to repeal DOMA. McCain is against DOMA.

McCain supreme court judges would uphold the rights of florida to ban gay apoptions while Obama’s judges will not uphold the rights of florida to ban judges.

The number one reason why Mccain will lose is because of conservatives beating up on him after the primary is over.

You have these fights in the primary not in the general election against the most marxist candidate Obama our country has ever seen.

The conservatives are going to be responsible for electing Obama. They have spent more time bashing McCain than Obama. And I am a conservative but these so called conservatives that are helping Obama are a disgrace.

 
Comment by Tim

Conservatives, get with the 21st Century. Good parents are good parents and God loves them.

MCCAIN 08 HILLARY 12

 
Comment by Texancoqui

Yes high crime rates by heterosexuals, the demise of heterosexual marriage, our disastrous forein policy, the crumbling markets and substandard public education are CLEARLY the result of the “homosexual agenda.”

 
Comment by Texancoqui

Yes, the crumbling economy, disastrous foreign policy, demise of heterosexual marriages, inner city chaos and substandard public education are clearly the fault of the “homosexual agenda.” Certainly, no other issue is more important at this critical time in our history than stopping loving parents from adopting children who would otherwise be abandoned by our society.

 
Comment by carol

I think that what you choose in the bedroom is your decision but it should not be imposed on children nor the shame of having to explain to the world why their adoptive parents are chosing such an immoral life style. God created marriage between a man and a woman, then he created children. He never intended for children to be abused emotionally or socially. Keep your morals than you will keep your families.

 
Comment by EVILPHOBIC

Hey if you are against anything nowadays you are just phobic.

I think good smart people see through the PHOBIC nonsense.

Some things and some people are just wrong and it has nothing to do with phobias.

THAT GUY IS JUST EVILPHOBIC.

 
Comment by Sandy

I grew up a Christian, I attended church twice a week until adulthood. I attended summer church camps. I’m a liberal. I understand Christian doctrine. Bible-thumping, hollier than thou, types have destroyed Christianity in this country. Evangelicals are the most un-Christian like individuals I know.

 
Comment by What Standard?

Comment by Tim
July 16th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Conservatives, get with the 21st Century. Good parents are good parents and God loves them.

MCCAIN 08 HILLARY 12
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Which God book are you using?

 
Comment by What Standard?

Comment by J. David Williams
July 15th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Embracing gay people, just like any other group, is as American as apple pie. We are a great nation because of it. Homophobes like “Bad Choices” have no place in our society.
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Love the sinner. Hate the sin. Rehabilitate the sinner. Do not promote sin.

Don’t be truth-a-phobic.

 
Comment by Mary

Carol, children are abused emotionally, socially, and physically when they grow up with no parents and have to live foster home to foster home. Maybe the emotional and social anguish they might endure is proof of a flaw in society and not in the family that brings them up. You pick and choose the morals you want from the bible. It also teaches love, understanding, compassion, and forgiveness, all morals that don’t seem to be as important to you as it’s mention of homosexuality. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

 
Comment by First Things First

First get your sexual orientation in line with reality.

Then become loving parents.

Life is a series of steps that need to be done in correct sequence.

 
Comment by stop making sense

against crime = crime-a-phobic

against drugs = addict-a-phobic

against child molesters = pervert-a-phobic

against Al Gore = enviro-a-phobic

against evil = evil-a-phobic

against gay marriage = homophobic

 
Comment by critical thinking

Comment by chris
July 16th, 2008 at 2:09 am
I guess McCain needs to kowtow the wrangle in the Christians. I get that.

My issue is that the future is coming. I’m sure that if Fox had blogs in the 1920’s, conservatives would be screaming about women voting.
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Some steps = progress

Some steps = depravity

Just because time moves forward does not mean every whim is legitimate.

 
Comment by RICH

I think it would be a fair statement to say that America (and the rest of the world for that matter) is in a time of moral decline. I personally believe homosexuality to be a sin and because it has become mainstream, those who criticize the lifestyle are labeled to be intolerant, close-minded biggots. The strength of a nation lies within its ability to maintain a strong family structure. No one will deny the direct coorelation between a child’s upbringing and the choices he/she will make as an adult. We allow the breakdown of the family (half of all heterosexual marriages end in divorce) and it is only a matter of time before the nation itself starts to crumble from within.

 
Comment by neither is good

Choosing between two evils is not much choice.

 
Comment by Catherine

The “gay” lifestyle is not my choice of style, but having met my share of “gay” parents raising adoptive children, the children, in my opinion, are far better off in the “gay” parent household than an orphanage, over populated foster home, or in an abusive home.

“Gay” parents are more likely to accept children with disabilities and do not stop their desire to adopt at race or religion. TH

 
Comment by RICH

There is a direct coorelation between the decline of the family structure and the decline of society.

 
Comment by What Standard?

Comment by yeahright
July 16th, 2008 at 1:33 am
no Bad chocies=Bad results. We are loosing our status as a great nation because people like you make small issues like this the deciding factor in an election instead of our failing economy, failing healthcare, failing education system, failing social security program, and skyrocketing debt.
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Losing because people like me?

I have a long ago established code of conduct.

The most read book ever written.

What is your foundation?

Do you make it up as you go?

 
Comment by erik eriksen

Mr. McCain is attempting to appeal more strongly to the right side of the Republican Party with comments about issues that have NOTHING to do with either our national security or the economy, the two biggest concerns. If he had any class whatsoever, when asked about his opinion regarding gay adoption, he would have simply stated, “That is not a concern of the President nor should it be.” Those who persist in attempting to legislate and/or dictate moralism are doomed to lose.

 
Comment by SHAWN WOLFE

“What? Did I miss something? God made Adam and Eve and He commanded to multiply the earth!
This is just so immoral that two guys adopted a child??? This is a sin and it’s breaking God commandment. We are already in the Caos that California Court decision on Guy marriage. Then what? God bless America. We need someone who is truly on the right side of the Lord.
If Mccain is Not doing right, I won’t vote for him.
Go Tony Perkins!”

Show me a god that would rather see children suffer than have two supporting parents whether they are a man and a female and I will have to rethink my thoughts on that god

in a country where we used to think blacks were fine as slaves, and women should never be allowed to vote. it is time we accept the fact that sexual preference makes no determination in a good person.

Simple minded bigots need to broaden their minds. and McCain is just telling the Gay people and the black people and the women that he is moderate….TILL he gets in office.

I am a white, straight, middle class, CHRISTIAN male and I am NOT proud of this country and the way it treats ALL its people.

This country was founded on a separation of church and state and if religious beliefs are what is keeping children from any caring family , including gay ones, then church doesn’t seem to separated to me.

 
Comment by chris

Its so troubling that Christians would prefer to have children in foster care and orphanages across the United States as opposed to having them placed in loving homes with gay parents.

Maybe the Christians should close the bible and open their minds a bit.

 
Comment by Kevin

Hey Carol,

God didn’t created marriage. It was founded as a social institution.

 
Comment by Bodo

Homosexuality is a sin, period. Read the bible. This nation prides on going to church every Sunday and yet upholds gay rights. How is this not hypocricy?

It is sad that it is even an issue in the campaign. Talk about foreign policy and economy and forget about gays.

 
Comment by jane in texas

If God had created people to choose between gay and straight…wouldn’t he have done the same in the animal kingdom?

 
Comment by American Conservative

Sam:
It sounds like you are calling me a ” so called Conservative” because I voice my opinions about a man who claims to call him a conservative, but will not stand up for conservative principles with pride and strength when pressed. Why can’t he? Answer, he can not because that is not who he is. That is why he is so uncomfortable when asked.
You are a phony conservative just like him who holds the water for the Republican party. The difference between you and I is that you are a Republican and I am a conservative independent. I will call out a fraud no matter what party he is in. I have expressed my opinions countless of times of the socialist Obama. They are all based on his votes, future policies, the people he surrounds him self with, etc.. I have done the very same with McCain. I do this so the American people who do not look into these candidates and the facts, can see who these men really are. Sorry for not being one of the sheeple and going along with what the Republican country clubbers tell me. Don’t get me wrong, there are some great republicans who have not joined this sell out crowd, but they are far and few between. McCain is definetly not part of that select group. Let me know if you need some education on what being a conservative is, and I guarantee you, most people on these blogs would agree with me.

 
Comment by KC

The long and the short of it is that a family began with a mother, who gave birth, and a father that helped creat the baby. And then we progressed to today where we have women having babies with one or more men and not in a family with a mother and father as such, so is it better a child ends up with niether a mother or a father? To me it is what is best for the child not what is best for others. What we need to focus on is where we all are going to end up if we do not stop fussing and start dicussing the real issues which are taxes, the economy, our military, our national defence, and who will really acomplish something in the future. So we come to the fact that as soon as Bush said for the U.S. to drill oil prices start to drop, Obama says not to that if gas goes to $10.00 a gallon it would be a good thing, we are winning the war in Iraq, Obama says pull out and we will lose and the republicans will look stupid, McCain says stay in and win then put our troops in Afganistan. Obama says tax the rich and give to the poor, Robinhood in the White House, McCain says keep the tax cuts and cut congresses wasteful spending. Obama says borrow more from China go deep in debt and give out more tax stimulous checks so we can be taxed more to pay the debt. Obama wants socialistic government such as China and Cuba has which we all see does not work. Socialism is a means of the government taking over businesses, banks, jobs, schools, and eventually the homes we live in. To equalize everyone would mean we all have the same things, no one has a bigger car, house or more clothes. No one owns their own land to farm as it would not be equal so it becomes state owned. Look at the countries that are socialistic. Is that what we truely want? Has any of the people in college thought that when they get out and go to work in a socialistic country if they are Doctors, Lawyers or pump gas they will all earn the same? That any invention they develope will bring them no more than the person that didn’t? Equal distribution of wealth means you have no hope of advancing any further than the life style of the next person. If you win the lotto for $250 million you have to distribute your wealth. Equal means just that. The same amount for everyone, except the people in power and the ones that keep them there.

 
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Comment by Michael from Atlanta

*****NEWS FLASH*****

Today, John McCain swings to the LEFT again and the conservatives are in not sure what to do.

Tommorow, John McCain will swing to the Right and conservatives will be all behind him.

Truth be known, John McCain is a mixed bag of pandering to the left and the right just to get votes.

NO one knows what he will do once elected. His vision is so unclear.

 
Comment by get it right

Comment by Wake Up
July 15th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Speaking of lifestyles- maybe if you all stopped mindlessly consuming and watching the red sox like zombies, and started paying attention to INEQUALITY, you might realize that is the real problem in our society and why it is falling apart, and that is where all the violence comes from. Gay rights is just one aspect of the inequality that affects everyone. The few extremley wealthy with all the power are quite delighted that you’re bigots because it distracts you from the inquality which is what truly causes the family to crumble because no one has any support in an ongoing war on the poor. Also, your mini vans are really ugly.
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Back before society was falling apart there wasnt anything unequal about discouraging young people from becoming gay. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a bigot. The gay choice is the wrong choice and has negative consequences. Homophobia is an anti-concept designed to hide gays immoral choices and confuse the issue. Wise up.

 
Comment by J 2 the Izzo

Wow!!! Sure sounds like a flip flop to me!! I guess you McBush supporters might want to focus on you own candidates “inconsistencies” rather than Obama’s. I applaud him for at least saying gays can adopt kids as a last alternative. The FRC & Bush types are opposed to even that option.
Personally i have no problem with gays adopting/raising kids. I’m not gonna adopt a kid anytime soon so why not let 2 people in a loving relationship raise a child. There’s a lot of kids out there that need a stable home. Who cares if it’s a man & a woman, a woman & a woman or a man & a man!??! Besides, gay people don’t raise gay kids…..straight people do. A man & a woman. Think about it…..

 
Comment by Joe Normal

Any compromise between right and wrong is always in favor of wrong. Any compromise between good and evil favors evil.

 
Comment by J 2 the Izzo

If God created Adam & Eve………..then who married Adam & Eve?? Was it God himself?? Just curious.
Get over yourselves people!! People are gay. Gays deserve the same rights as any straight person. It’s not a lifestyle that they choose. What’s more immoral?? You homophobes not stepping up to the plate & adopting these kids that are lost in the system or kids being raised in a gay household?? If you don’t want gays to adopt any kids then open your doors & do it yourselves. Be real!! Angelina Jolie adopted 3 little babies so you all homophobes need to step up & adopt at least 1 baby per household. Anything to stop the evil immoral gays from destroying our moral compass!!
By the way, i’m not gay but I support gay rights!!

 
Comment by Tom from Chicago

MC CAIN’S POSITION IS UNCHANGED BY THE “CLARIFICATION” WHICH MUST BE MORE CAREFULLLY READ. HERE IS THE ANALYSIS:

The McCain campaign’s calling the new, but not better, statement a “clarification” ignores the fact that there was nothing unclear in what he said, and then repeated.

He flatly said he was against gay adoption and, indeed, nothing in the clarification says he would be all right with gay adoption, even of abandoned children who no one else wants. He does not say that gays could then adopt those children, he just says “caring parental figures” would be better than the “alternative,” i.e., the streets, orphanages, or a never-ending series of foster homes. When one adopts, one does not become a “caring parental figure,” one becomes, by law, a “parent.” His clarification was very carefully written to change nothing about his very clear comments in the interview.

The “clarification” further drives home his belief that gays are second-class citizens, i.e., that gays should be allowed to be “caring parental figures” of “abandoned” children only after it is determined that no straight couple can be found to adopt the child. Such children are typically older, have special needs, are HIV positive, or are minorities (indeed, many of whom have been adopted by straight and gay singles and couples who step forward to take on these substantial parenting burdens). The bare essence of his “clarified” position is that gay people are not good enough to adopt from the same pool of children as straight people. That is the absolute best spin one could put on the “clarification”, because in actuality no where does it state that gays could “adopt” or that gays could be the “caring parental figures.” Based on the clarification, if McCain were asked by a reporter whether gays should be allowed to adopt children who no one else wanted, he could say, “no, and I’ve never said otherwise” because he hasn’t.

His wiggle that adoption, like marriage, is a state issue and that he “was not endorsing any Federal legislation” is disingenuous given his support of DOMA (”Federal legislation”), and his subsequent opposition to a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, but only so long as the Supreme Court does not rule DOMA unconstitutional, as it must certainly be, and, in his words, “then, and only then, would the PROBLEM justify Congress making the momentous decision” to amend the Constitution. (My emphasis)

He also says that he would appoint judges who will uphold DOMA which, he believes, takes care of the “PROBLEM” he must consider gays to be.

 
Comment by mishi

“God created marriage between a man and a woman, then he created children. ”

Well, maybe in your mythology, though there’s not an iota of proof. But hey, some of the most respected figures in your Bible - Abraham, Solomon - had more than one wife, so can we safely assume that your god’s in favor of polygamy?

“He never intended for children to be abused emotionally or socially. ” On the other hand, your merciful god did command that kids who disrespect their parents be killed. Keep those commandments, gang!

“What? Did I miss something? God made Adam and Eve and He commanded to multiply the earth!”

Yeah, you missed something. Science. Sorry.

 
Comment by Tom from Chicago

The McCain campaign’s calling the new, but not better, statement a “clarification” ignores the fact that there was nothing unclear in what he said, and then repeated.

He flatly said he was against gay adoption and, indeed, nothing in the clarification says he would be all right with gay adoption, even of abandoned children who no one else wants. He does not say that gays could then adopt those children, he just says “caring parental figures” would be better than the “alternative,” i.e., the streets, orphanages, or a never-ending series of foster homes. When one adopts, one does not become a “caring parental figure,” one becomes, by law, a “parent.” His clarification was very carefully written to change nothing about his very clear comments in the interview.

The “clarification” further drives home his belief that gays are second-class citizens, i.e., that gays should be allowed to be “caring parental figures” of “abandoned” children only after it is determined that no straight couple can be found to adopt the child. Such children are typically older, have special needs, are HIV positive, or are minorities (indeed, many of whom have been adopted by straight and gay singles and couples who step forward to take on these substantial parenting burdens). The bare essence of his “clarified” position is that gay people are not good enough to adopt from the same pool of children as straight people. That is the absolute best spin one could put on the “clarification”, because in actuality no where does it state that gays could “adopt” or that gays could be the “caring parental figures.” Based on the clarification, if McCain were asked by a reporter whether gays should be allowed to adopt children who no one else wanted, he could say, “no, and I’ve never said otherwise” because he hasn’t.

His wiggle that adoption, like marriage, is a state issue and that he “was not endorsing any Federal legislation” is disingenuous given his support of DOMA (”Federal legislation”), and his subsequent opposition to a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, but only so long as the Supreme Court does not rule DOMA unconstitutional, as it must certainly be, and, in his words, “then, and only then, would the PROBLEM justify Congress making the momentous decision” to amend the Constitution. (My emphasis)

He also says that he would appoint judges who will uphold DOMA which, he believes, takes care of the “PROBLEM” he must consider gays to be.

 
Comment by Chris from Texas

Let’s ask ourself, is our society better or worse after all the liberal changes our society has made since the 1960’s? High divorce rates, unwed mothers, the breakup of the family, loss of moral values leading to other issues like a liberal attitude towards drug useage and teen pregnancy. Are these good things for our society? I think that the reasonable answer is no. Why should we compound our errrors by adding more?

Gay adoption , gay marriage, transgendered rights, NAMBLA, where in the name of God do we stop? This is where the liberal transcendancy has led us to, and our country is turning into a sewer. Anybody thinking reasonably can see this needs to stop, we need traditional values and a moral compass to stop our country from the slide into the sewer.

 
Comment by Michael from Atlanta

I am not a conservative. I am an independent voter. I have NO ill will against people who claim to be gay.

But I am concerned about adopted children. These children have baggage from their already been abandoned by their biological parents and need a lot of healing. I think being a gay has NO bearing on these parent’s ability to love these children. However, one has to wonder if the love offered by gay parents is sufficient to hold up to the teasing by other children due to these children being adopted AND having gay parents. It may not be fair to these children.

 
Comment by Joe Normal

Comment by jane in texas
July 16th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
If God had created people to choose between gay and straight…wouldn’t he have done the same in the animal kingdom?
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God gave humans free will. Free choice with consequences.

He gave animals instinct.

Two different programs entirely.

 
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Comment by Sandy
July 16th, 2008 at 10:05 am
I grew up a Christian, I attended church twice a week until adulthood. I attended summer church camps. I’m a liberal. I understand Christian doctrine. Bible-thumping, hollier than thou, types have destroyed Christianity in this country. Evangelicals are the most un-Christian like individuals I know.
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So as an ex-christian you now are thumping some other book which makes you holier than you

used to be as an un-christian-like individual?

 
Comment by Barrack W. McBush

Reading the passionate liberal posts on here you get the message they

really do believe children are better off with gay couples than a father and a mother.

 
Comment by Sue Hal

With all the issues on the table in this election season, this is an issue, like abortion, that doesn’t need to be in the Presidential campaign!!!! Let’s get back to what the REAL JOB of a PRESIDENT is- to promote social issues is not one of the original purposes for the election. All of these special interest issues are taking us away from the truly important issues facing us. If we do not have a person in the White House who truly understands the DANGERS we face, then, we will find ourselves weakened in this world we live in.

 
Comment by The Gandy

My mom was always on my case to clean my room.

I would tell her, “Mom you are just MESS-O-PHOBIC!”

So I can see why gays are irritated by christians.

 
Comment by J 2 the Izzo

I can’t believe what i’m reading. all of a sudden this is a non issue that the president shouldn’t have any concern over. call me crazy but wasn’t gay marriage a big issue in the presidential race just 4 short years ago?? i’m surprised no one is calling mccain out for this obvious flip flop. come on mccain backers. admit to it!!!

 
Comment by Richard

This is the problem with “centrists” and so called “moderates”-they are bereft of any guiding political philosophy.Thus McCain feels free to pander to everyone and please nobody.It must be quite difficult for a man McCain’s age to straddle the fence and walk the tightrope necessary to prevent conservatives from revolting and keep moderates from straying to Obama!Straight Talk Express?I don’t think so!

 
Comment by chris

Let’s ask ourself, is our society better or worse after all the liberal changes our society has made since the 1960’s?

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We ended Segregation.

The Flat Earth Society is dying. The faster the better.

 
Comment by J 2 the Izzo

Comment by jane in texas
July 16th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
If God had created people to choose between gay and straight…wouldn’t he have done the same in the animal kingdom?
HA!!! i was so waiting for someone to bring that up. 1st off, unless your name is steve irwin (or jack hanna or any of those up close & personal animal people. take your pick) you don’t know what goes on in the animal kingdom. you aren’t around to watch the behavior of every animal on the planet. i can tell you of one species that does exhibit hetero/homosexual behavior. it’s called a bonobo or pygmy chimpanzee. they’re fascinating animals. google it if you don’t believe me. they’re endangered anyway so should we wipe them off the earth since they’re committing such a horrid sin?? or are they just dumb animals who don’t know any better?? i believe there’s a dolphin species that performs homosexual acts also. (i watch a lot of animal kingdom)

 
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Comment by mishi
July 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
But hey, some of the most respected figures in your Bible - Abraham, Solomon - had more than one wife, so can we safely assume that your god’s in favor of polygamy?
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Alot of people in the bible, even people god spoke to, did stuff he didn’t like.

Your logic is fatally flawed, pre adolescent, and exposes how truly ignorant

you are of the bible and the intentions of its author.

 

[...] trying to appease the conservative base. He made the massive blunder of saying that gay couples should not be allowed to adopt because he feels “that both parents are important in the success of a [...]

 
Comment by edfeeney

AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE

Alas, we meet again. I hope your hiatis served you well. You’ll need all the strength you can muster. Good-bye my dear freind, for now.

 
Comment by edfeeney

American Conservative

Hi, I missed you

Love,
Ed Feeney

 
Comment by Samuel

” The Bible teaches that it is a sin and abomination in the sight of God for man to lie with man or woman with woman.”
The bible also warns against trying to change what the bible says by saying
woe be unto anyone who tries to add too or take away from the the word of God. Enough said.

 
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Comment by Michael from Atlanta
July 16th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
*****NEWS FLASH*****

Today, John McCain swings to the LEFT again and the conservatives are in not sure what to do.

Tommorow, John McCain will swing to the Right and conservatives will be all behind him.

Truth be known, John McCain is a mixed bag of pandering to the left and the right just to get votes.

NO one knows what he will do once elected. His vision is so unclear.
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you shouldn’t talk. you have cataracts and a detached retina in both your eyes. your mind garbled

 
Comment by Mike Pell

This country continues to decline primarily due to those who seek to change what is ethically, morally, and socially unacceptable to something that should be celebrated. The next phase involves acceptance of child molesters (they were born that way), polygamy (they choose that life style), and incest (they can’t help themselves) as a valid and celebrated life styles. It is just as offensive as the gay life style that seeks to indoctrinate our children today. Get ready.

 
Comment by chris

At some point, we will stop using our bibles to define how we see the world.

We have oppressed Japanese Americans, Blacks, Women, Irish, etc. due to our own ignorance and prejudice and over time we have looked at our treatment and recognized our mistakes.

I’m not comparing homosexual struggles with any of these groups struggles. Im simply saying that at some point we will go back 50 - 100 years from now and say. “wow, we were stupid as a culture”

Much like saying: “Can you believe women had to fight to vote?” and “We as a culture had institutional segregation”

Oh yeah and the Earth was flat.

The bible can’t be our license to discriminate and you people who use the bible as a weapon are exactly what’s wrong with the world.

 

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Comment by American Conservative

Hello Ed Feeney. It has been a while.

 
Comment by bone

Many of you have been brainwashed into thinking gay people are evil. I’m guessing that you’ve never knowingly talked to a gay person in your life. If you had, your opinion would change radically.

 

[...] of orphans by gay parents? He’s getting slammed by the extremist Christian Right, here and here and here. Oh, McCain, as an adoptive parent himself, could take the bully pulpit and take the lead [...]

 
Comment by RICH

Mike Pell, very intelligent and insightful….I’m with you on that. And Bone, no one has been brainwashed into thinking homosexuals are evil, but it is wrong. Its called morality and if you look back through history, homosexuals have always been frowned apon. If anything, the brainwashing has taken place in the opposite fashion in recent years. Gay marriage was just legalized in California, there are more outspoken homosexuals now than in any other time in history, and even many cities and towns conduct gay pride celebrations on a regular basis. It is you sir who has been brainwashed.

 
Comment by Andy

There was a study done a few years ago that concluded that about 80 per cent of men who are homophobic have secret homosexual feelings. They measured with a certain device in a certain area.

Check here: http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%20buggers.htm

 

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